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One way OC is losing at least $14 Million per year.
gottaloveit2 wrote in octranspo
According to http://ottawa.ca/calendar/ottawa/citycouncil/tc/2012/01-26/01%20-%20Doc%201.pdf 

We have 53000 Upasses.

A Upass is the equivalent of a rural express pass that costs a Student $113.00 per month.

A Upass costs $180.00 for four (4) months.

53 000 u passes @ $180 term = $9 540 000
53 000 u passes @ $113 x 4 months (student rural express pass)  = $23 956 000
The City of Ottawa / Oc Transpo is losing $14 416 000 on the Upass deal.

...but it's revenue neutral or charity?

- Jstagrl xox

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That is completely BS math.

They aren't LOSING $14 million dollars. The proper comparison isn't the cost of 53,000 student rural express passes, it's the cost of the passes students would otherwise buy.

For example, if a student wouldn't buy a pass at all, OC Transpo GAINS the full $180.
If a student would otherwise purchase a regular monthly student pass, one could say that OC Transpo loses $120 over 4 months.
If a student would use a DayPass one day each week, OC Transpo is gaining about $60 over the 4 months.

The proper comparison isn't the full value of the pass, the comparison is what OC Transpo would get from the students if the Upass wasn't offered. Otherwise, you're saying that they're losing money they wouldn't have gotten anyway. (Because how many students actually need a rural express pass?)

Great comment above.

Here's another: We should absolutely be subsidizing public transit. It saves us money on roads, it saves us money on the environment, it is the makes-sense way for people to get around. Ottawa's bus system is quite expensive comparatively, and there is nothing wrong with subsidizing bus travel when you factor in the other social costs.

How about people pay the real costs of gasoline, which is heavily subsidized. If people actually paid the real cost of gas, no one would drive so what's with the fuss about a little bit of public transit subsidy?

This this this.

Because there are tons of self-intitled youngins who would rather drive to the university then take the bus. Oc gains nothing from these people without the upass. What about those thousands of kids living on campus, who might leave once a week? Who walk to school.

You're making sense. This will get you into undeserved social trouble.

The fact is the City is losing 14.5 million. They are giving 24 Million worth of service for 9.5 million. The other fact is that most students use the upass - AND COMPLAIN ABOUT THE DEAL THEY ARE GETTING. A upass can be used as regular fare, express, Rural, AND Para Transpo. IMO to save some face the Upass should only be used on regular routes since students are overloading every bus going through the core only to a few stops on the transitway - dense? This is bad for people who can't get on the express bus downtown that takes them all the way home.

What about the students who can't get on ANY bus for the same reason?

You're not being reasonable.

UPass should only be regular routes. Students pay $360 each year for the pass and since a student rural express pass costs $113, they are getting $904 worth of service. Give them a access to regular routes, which a pass would only cost $75 per month and they would still be getting $600 worth of service for the 8 months they have the UPass. Most students that would be regularly buying a bus pass without the UPass would be buying a regular pass and not a rural express anyways.


You do realize that only about 48% of students bought any pass at all, before the upass, and the majority of those only bought discount regular term passes anyway...

Re-do your math and take a chill pill. Trust me, you're breaking even on this deal.

Somebody tried to sell me this exact calculation as a story a couple of weeks ago. It's bizarre to think that without the UPass, 53,000 students would go out and buy rural express passes. We don't even need to speculate what students would do if the UPass didn't exist — they were doing exactly that just a couple of academic years ago. They certainly weren't buying 53,000 rural express passes.

I can't quite fathom the mind that would think to assemble this data and make this calculation without grasping how strange the premise is.

To be reasonable, city’s estimated cost for U-Pass deal is about $4 million/ year. On the other hand seniors’ ride free program cost about $1 million but that discussion took far too long to finalize.
The route 12 loses about $4 million/ year.
The same city locked down about 2600 employees for a period of 53 days to save $ 3.5 million/ year while all residence of Ottawa suffered massively through that time.
We live in a crazy and unethical world or not?
I would say any one who live and pay property tax/ rent in the city should be issued a residence card to ride fare frees except the peak hours top up of $2. None residence should be charged other set fare structure.

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